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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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753 for the 12th of March 2023 Richard

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Saunders coming to you this week from

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not far from San Francisco coming up on

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this week's show an oldie but a goodie

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Nostradamus large parts of this show are

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dedicated towards Nostradamus

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for many reasons as you'll hear in the

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show but for me personally it's

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interesting because in 1979 I'd never

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heard of Nostradamus most of the people

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I knew had never heard of Nostradamus

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until a TV special came along the

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so-called documentary which to a kid

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seemed creditable now of course since

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then and especially thanks to people

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like James Randy who have done excellent

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work in researching Nostradamus we know

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now that he really couldn't look into

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the future what's interesting is to

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discover why people think

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he could look into the future we're

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going to start off this week's show with

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a book review well a review of a

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newspaper ad and the book from 1983

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about the so-called lost Prophecies of

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Nostradamus then we're going to look at

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the very TV special I talked about the

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Prophecies of Nostradamus from

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1979. it caused quite a stir at the time

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also on this week's episode it's Adrian

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Hill with the Australian Skeptics

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newsletter collated by Tim Mendham

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and in the Trove segment it's back to

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look at Nostradamus how Nostradamus has

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been reported in the Australian media

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over the decades

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so no matter where you are around the

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maybe you're enjoying a few days get

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away in a nice big fluffy dressing gown

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maybe you are all in the car hello to

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you're doing I hope you enjoyed this

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week's episode of the skeptic Zone but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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no sugar I cut out sugar and coffee

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long hair and the other one is Adolf

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curious manuscript has been making the

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apparently penned a series of prophecies

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included in any of his published Works

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original prophecies that have only now

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been translated and interpreted these

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the reappearance of Jesus to the world

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mysterious wonders in the sky turn out

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to be a friendly invasion of alien

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beings from other worlds in space rare

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knowledge which will lead to the

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elimination of disease and sickness

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new inventions far superior to anything

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currently in use on this planet

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a terrible war in space

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the time when night becomes day

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indeed no Prophet has ever lived who

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tensions and the realization that these

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Nostradamus untold story his unpublished

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predictions

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not sold in bookstores order using the

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coupon below

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and then the next little box on the page

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and big title says black prophecies

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dare you read Nostradamus black

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prophecies so devastating they were

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supposed to be sealed for all time

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and the little diagram here is of a

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envelope with a black seal

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because of the traumatic nature of

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certain of his predictions we are

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sealing them inside a special envelope

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which will be included with your copy of

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this amazing book if you feel you cannot

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take these startling Revelations we

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suggest that you put this envelope aside

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and opened these so-called black

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prophecies deal with the actual date

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that the world will come to an end and

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the events leading up to the physical

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transformation of the Earth

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right at the bottom of the page send

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payment to Inner Light Publications PO

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Box 753 New Brunswick New Jersey

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08903 please send me and there's a

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little line so you can fill out how many

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copies you want copies of Nostradamus

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untold story his unpublished prophecies

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for which I am enclosing payment of 9.95

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plus one dollar toward Postage and

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handling

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10.95 I understand that if I order now I

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will receive free of charge Nostradamus

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black prophecies which will be in a

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separate sealed envelope as well as the

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magical wand of Nostradamus if I am not

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satisfied with my purchase I may return

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the book and wand within 30 days for a

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full refund note Canadian and foreign

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customers must add three dollars payable

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in U.S funds via postal money order or

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check draw owned on a U.S Bank allow six

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weeks for delivery New Jersey residents

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and six percent sales tax

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well with such a um with such an amazing

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full page

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uh add all the way back there 40 years

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ago

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I had to buy the book now I thought it

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would be a bit silly writing to the uh

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to the address and sending in a coupon

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after all these years but I did go on

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Amazon or I Googled around and I found

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the book I found a copy of the book

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which I had delivered for about uh five

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dollars five dollars and I have it

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[Applause]

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right here the untold story Nostradamus

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unpublished prophecies the sad thing is

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I must admit the sad thing is this

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sealed envelope did not come with it

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I don't have that however all is not

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lost because in the back of the book

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a back of the book is a section called

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Nostradamus unpublished quatrains so I

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guess they were included maybe in a

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second printing or or something like

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that

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and it's

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um

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just a little larger than A4 the paper

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size I guess it goes to 68 pages

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and it's full of large typewriter typed

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Pages I'm not sure from all those years

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ago possibly computer

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and

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well basic drawings

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like somebody who's not really an artist

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has done the drawings and they look very

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dramatic with dragons and

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what's this the Antichrist 666 somebody

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holding a

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a little stick was 666 written across

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their face and they seem to be battling

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cartoon dragons it's a bit strange but

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let's look at briefly at some of what

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this book has to say incidentally before

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we even get into the book on the inside

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front cover

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there are ads for other things journey

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to Dimensions never before experienced

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Brad Steiger Altered States awareness

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tapes and these tapes include such

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things as the healing light good health

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through color therapy haven't heard

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about color therapies for a long time

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Cosmic vision and Quest using dreams to

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shape a more positive life

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experience past life recall become a

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spiritual Alchemist creating a close

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encounter and E.T situation

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I wonder what an ET situation is past

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lives through Soul contact creating a

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positive approach to Life's problems

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discovering your spiritual teacher the

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Divine fire exploring future lives

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exploring future lives

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and the star birth Odyssey with Francis

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Pascal Steiger double type length 120

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Minutes

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oh boy that would be something wouldn't

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it

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got a lot of going over published

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prophecies which James Randy certainly

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points out in his book which I recommend

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the mask of Nostradamus are largely due

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to the fact that they have been very

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what shall we say they've been

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translated in a very Cavalier fashion

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uh not very accurately

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and translated with an item making them

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fit

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past events to make them look like they

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were predicting those events which were

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in the future of the time

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or past events to us the book has an

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ISBN

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Nostradamus unpublished prophecies

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copyright 1983

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in a light Po Box 753 New Brunswick New

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Jersey and the first page here basically

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repeats what the full page ad says goes

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into more detail

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about his early life and so on and so on

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and so on and claims like as said before

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he walked among plagued victims for

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months without Contracting The Dread

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disease

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so I mean a lot of uh bolstering of any

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reputational Legends he might have had

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there's a paragraph here that says this

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only leaves two other possibilities a

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that he was a time traveler or B he was

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placed on Earth by alien beings and

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actually came from the stars now the

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third possibility is C none of the above

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but apart from that the book just goes

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on at length covering

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some of the well-known more well-known

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prophecies that have been looked at over

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the years and again

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a lot of these simply have been

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interpreted incorrectly or interpreted

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favorably

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on page 36 we find a very interesting

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prediction prophecy here it's one of the

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few times Nostradamus actually mentioned

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a year

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and the train is in the year 1999 and

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seven months from the sky will come the

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great king of Terror he will bring back

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to life the great king of the Mongols

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before and after War Reigns happily now

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this was used

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uh and I've seen it again and again over

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the years

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before the date obviously as a warning

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or this is going to happen or people

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looking into it and of course the date

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came and went and nothing happened

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nothing happened

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and so it's typical of uh

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of this sort of thing when nothing

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happens it's soon forgotten

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sort of swept under the carpet it's like

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when a religious cult says the end of

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the world is coming on this day the day

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comes and goes and nothing happens and

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well it's sort of Forgotten or excused

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or explained away or or something like

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that anyway this book goes on about

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aliens coming and Nostradamus saw this

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another one here is the author claims

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there will be an ice age in the United

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States also there'll be earthquakes and

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War from outer space

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an interesting passage here the author

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seems to interpret one what Trains being

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a riot and looting at Fort Knox

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maybe he saw Goldfinger maybe

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Nostradamus was actually watching

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Goldfinger in the future who knows but

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I'm sure you like me are Keen to look at

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some of the unpublished Quad trains as

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mentioned

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and we get to the back of the book a

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curious manuscript has been making the

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rounds of Europe where books on

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Nostradamus are frequent bestsellers

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and it just repeats the claim that

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Nostradamus wrote more

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and part of these uh or some of these

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deal with the second coming of Jesus

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Christ

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in the Millennium to the King's son

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before the turn is seen by all admit

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thunderclaps angry the rubble of war and

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pestilence the sins the fish returns to

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power after a long sleep

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make of that what you will but the

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author is indicating that as he says

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here as we see Nostradamus meaning

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Christ will return just before the turn

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of the second Millennium which is the

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year 2000 the King's son of course is

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Jesus he will come out of the sky during

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a heavy thunderstorm

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maybe ducking the weather and will be

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seen by everyone on Earth again these

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things come and go and nothing happens

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the author here talks about

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space visitors and UFOs

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a rash of Stig Martyrs that would be

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interesting

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and once again the author refers to the

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year 1999

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claiming that when the 27-year war

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breaks out in 1999 there will be

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eclipses which will darken the Earth so

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let me see 27-year war in 1999 well take

510
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heart everybody the war's only got a

511
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couple of years left to run

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this book is heading for my skeptical

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archives but it's a classic example of

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people running away with their

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imagination more or less looking at what

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trains they think are more or less

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translated correctly looking into them

518
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seeing what they want to see

519
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and uh

520
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retrofitting history

521
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to make it sort of sort of fit these

522
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prophecies and then claiming of course

523
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the prophecies will write all the time

524
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then referring once again to James Dandy

525
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and The Mask of Nostradamus a must read

526
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for anybody interested in the topic

527
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:27,900
Randy makes it painfully clear

528
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and obviously clear Nostradamus did not

529
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have mystical insight to future events

530
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and on the very last page the back cover

531
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of this book

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we have another

533
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,159
ad here mystical secrets of the ages

534
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:50,640
revealed learn how to turn an ordinary

535
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glass of drinking water and an

536
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:56,760
inexpensive Crystal into a powerful

537
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:00,419
Elixir for improved good health enhanced

538
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psychic abilities and the fortification

539
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,260
of inner strength famed hungarian-born

540
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:10,020
psychic tells you which crystals gems

541
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:13,799
and stones are best suited for your

542
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the untold story Nostradamus unpublished

543
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:25,080
prophecies

544
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again another

545
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the gem for the skeptical archives

546
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and after the break we'll take a brief

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look at the

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1979 TV special in Australia the

549
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Prophecies of Nostradamus

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[Music]

551
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:54,779
Richard how do I get better at telling

552
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:57,059
if people are lying it's really simple

553
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,919
what you need to do it's real well

554
00:27:01,730 --> 00:27:00,000
actually funny you should ask that

555
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:01,740
because well I just want to improve my

556
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,539
memory I've got this great trip can you

557
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:05,760
make me happier okay look for answers to

558
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a thousand questions about the

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Incredible World of human behavior and

560
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:11,100
the psychology of everyday life join me

561
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,080
psychologist Richard Wiseman and me

562
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,179
science journalist Marnie chasterton on

563
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,340
Richard wiseman's on your mind new

564
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:19,919
podcast from podomo and Telltale can I

565
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:34,930
[Music]

566
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,760
in 1979 the seven TV network in

567
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,860
Australia produced the documentary

568
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:42,240
called

569
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,340
the Prophecies of Nostradamus this

570
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,380
documentary is well over an hour and a

571
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:52,320
half long and was hosted by popular TV

572
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,740
personality and singer John Waters over

573
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,779
the years I've worked on a few TV

574
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:00,240
projects with John Waters and he

575
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:03,059
continues to perform around Australia to

576
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,159
this day

577
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,940
it would be impractical to cover all the

578
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,860
claims and predictions made in this

579
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:13,440
documentary but we can look at some to

580
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:17,400
get a general idea of what this did and

581
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:21,480
did not do what it did and did well was

582
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:23,400
to achieve high ratings for the network

583
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:26,940
it was a hit in its day and caused a run

584
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:29,400
on the book The prophecies and

585
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:32,580
Nostradamus by Erica Cheatham Corgi

586
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,400
books Erica Cheatham also appears in the

587
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:37,620
documentary as an expert

588
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:40,140
I seem to remember a copy of that book

589
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:44,760
ending up in my house not too long after

590
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,400
what was lacking at the time was any

591
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:50,460
real skeptical rebuttal it could be that

592
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:51,960
something was written in the Press at

593
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:54,840
the time by the way of a review but I

594
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:57,419
can't find it in the archives those were

595
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:00,779
the days of only a few TV networks in

596
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,020
Australia so many people watched and

597
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:07,440
believed what had been told to them me

598
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,460
as

599
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,500
something like a 13 year old kid

600
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:13,320
included the documentary was made in

601
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:17,159
such a way that its assertions and there

602
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,659
were many indeed were presented as facts

603
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:24,419
and more and more assertions were built

604
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,020
on the original assertions it was sort

605
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:29,760
of like a house of cards

606
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,880
it was on TV it had scary images it had

607
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,760
scary music it had pictures of War of

608
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,340
famine it had warnings I seemed to

609
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:40,980
remember a rumor going around at the

610
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,799
time that this documentary could not be

611
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:46,500
shown in the United States as it would

612
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:48,899
cause too much panic

613
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:51,419
The Producers must have been delighted

614
00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:54,419
here's a clip from the very opening of

615
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:57,140
the show which is a case in point of how

616
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,440
myth was presented as fact

617
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:04,020
and it has to do with the skull of

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00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,649
I was a legend

619
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,220
whoever drank from the skull of

620
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,860
Nostradamus would inherit his incredible

621
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,419
powers

622
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,360
but for 200 years his grave remained

623
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,360
undisturbed because the legend also said

624
00:30:26,529 --> 00:30:24,360
that whoever did so would immediately

625
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,539
die

626
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,279
one night at the height of the French

627
00:30:34,269 --> 00:30:32,100
Revolution three drunken soldiers set

628
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:34,279
out to test the legend

629
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,080
it was not the skeleton that suddenly

630
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:39,419
sobered the soldiers but the plaque

631
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:42,799
around its neck with the date May

632
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:45,899
1791 which could only have been placed

633
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,279
there at the time of burial in 1566.

634
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,140
Nostradamus had predicted 200 years

635
00:31:14,950 --> 00:30:54,600
before the exact date when his body

636
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:22,370
[Music]

637
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,230
oh

638
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,640
the shot that killed that Soldier was

639
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:28,140
fired from the riot of the surrounding

640
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,039
Revolution

641
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:31,919
a stray bullet a freak accident that

642
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:35,100
fulfilled the legend of Nostradamus

643
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,899
thank you

644
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,179
Nostradamus

645
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,580
what kind of a man was he who predicted

646
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,440
the date of the desecration of his own

647
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,399
grave

648
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:45,779
whose predictions were used as

649
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,840
propaganda during World War II a man who

650
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,120
has accurately predicted events over the

651
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:53,399
last 400 years from the French

652
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,700
Revolution to the Kennedys and on into

653
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,760
the future even to a third world war and

654
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:01,799
eventually the total Destruction of the

655
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:04,260
world as we know it

656
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:06,539
generally to make of his predictions if

657
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:08,520
they're true of the past what of the

658
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,480
future

659
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,640
tonight we would like to introduce you

660
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:14,480
to the Prophecies of Nostradamus

661
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:15,330
[Music]

662
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,940
a little research easy in 2023 with

663
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:32,159
access to the internet shows us that

664
00:32:39,610 --> 00:32:36,179
this is but one version of the story in

665
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,620
another version of the story the year is

666
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,140
1793 and in another version of the story

667
00:32:47,889 --> 00:32:45,840
the soldier was killed by a sniper in an

668
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:47,899
ambush the next day

669
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:50,520
historians say that in the year 1700

670
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,520
City officials did move the body of

671
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,159
Nostradamus to a sturdier and more

672
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,799
prominent area that according to some

673
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,140
versions of the legend was when they

674
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,120
looked inside the graved and saw a

675
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,480
medallion saying 1700.

676
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:09,059
it has all the Hallmarks of a myth with

677
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,980
no solid evidence to show it really

678
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:14,100
happened but it does make for a good

679
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,340
story the point is that this unverified

680
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:19,860
story or myth was presented as fact

681
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:22,919
something the 1979 documentary does

682
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,279
again and again and again

683
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:29,039
the documentary covers many many

684
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:32,279
historical events and people trying to

685
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:34,140
make each one fit the writings of

686
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:37,620
Nostradamus Wars revolutions Napoleon

687
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:40,799
Hitler Jack and Bobby Kennedy and so on

688
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,960
but it also looks into what at that time

689
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:47,580
was the future

690
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,140
so now

691
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,500
the future what does Nostradamus tell us

692
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:54,480
will happen essentially the prediction

693
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,059
is war the third world war that will be

694
00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:58,980
nuclear and far worse than all other

695
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:05,990
one that shall cause the infernal gods

696
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:08,820
of Hannibal to live again the terror of

697
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,599
mankind never more horror nor the papers

698
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:15,359
tell of worse in the past

699
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:18,659
and in the last era all the kingdoms of

700
00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:21,659
Christianity and also All unbelievers

701
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,419
Shall Quake for the space of years and

702
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:26,280
there shall be more Grievous Wars and

703
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,240
battles towns cities castles and other

704
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,820
buildings shall be burnt desolated and

705
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,520
destroyed married women and widows

706
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:38,460
ravished sucking children dashed against

707
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,179
the walls of towns and so many evils

708
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:44,159
shall be committed by the means of that

709
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:47,099
infernal Prince Satan that almost the

710
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:48,780
entire

711
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,580
sir Nostradamus predicts a third world

712
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,020
war

713
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,420
so startling about that you say people

714
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,160
have been predicting a third world war

715
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,040
ever since the second one finished

716
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:04,740
all right but Nostradamus who wrote this

717
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,339
400 years ago also gives us the year and

718
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,839
the signs to look for

719
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,359
he tells us who will be fighting and why

720
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,700
and suggests there will be occurrences

721
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:16,859
of unprecedented natural disasters such

722
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,339
as floods famine and earthquakes and

723
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:22,200
tells us exactly when and where these

724
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,700
events will take place

725
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,460
he assembles a powerful jigsaw puzzle

726
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:29,160
the eventual pattern of which cannot be

727
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:30,000
denied

728
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:31,500
remember these warnings are not the

729
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,000
opinions of the producers of this

730
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,520
program but interpretations of

731
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:38,160
Nostradamus based on facts available

732
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:39,780
today

733
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,180
first we ask when and although there are

734
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,460
several hints left by Nostradamus there

735
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:46,320
are two which are quite clear and must

736
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:49,560
be considered side by side one it could

737
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,500
be as early as 1981 and the other

738
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:54,300
stating quite clearly that the war will

739
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:57,480
be well underway by 1999.

740
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,859
in the year 1999 and seven months from

741
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:03,900
the sky will come the great king of

742
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,599
Terror he will bring back to life the

743
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,300
great king of the Mongols before and

744
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,660
after War Reigns happily

745
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:14,240
in

746
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,640
1989 the seven Network produced a

747
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,220
follow-up documentary also starring John

748
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,160
Waters needless to say this was just as

749
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:26,099
fanciful as the first and repeated many

750
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,060
of the predictions and events mentioned

751
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,520
in the previous documentary

752
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:35,460
this is what Tim Mendham wrote about the

753
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:39,839
1989 follow-up documentary at the time

754
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,599
hi my name's Tim Mendon I'm the editor

755
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,160
of Australian Skeptics magazine the

756
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,380
skeptic and executive officer for

757
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:48,540
Australian Skeptics Inc and today I'll

758
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,280
be reading a short item from this haptic

759
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:52,560
magazine which was volume 9 number three

760
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:54,980
roughly September

761
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,540
1989. and that's about a program that

762
00:37:03,829 --> 00:36:59,940
appeared on the seven TV networks on

763
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:03,839
August 27 1989 titled Nostradamus the

764
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,339
Final Chapter

765
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,380
and it goes like this

766
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,359
what is it about the seven Network that

767
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,220
makes it the best team of pseudoscience

768
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:14,160
on the TV medium apart from a scattering

769
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,540
of programs on the other networks

770
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:17,700
Richard Neville short-lived series and

771
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,140
everything alternative on the Ten

772
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,079
Network being the most notable 7 has

773
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:23,760
given more promotion to the weird and

774
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,560
wonderful world of just plain silliness

775
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,140
than any other network

776
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,420
this latest addition to the genre was a

777
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:32,339
continuation of a program shown 10 years

778
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:34,859
ago there's little extra to justify the

779
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,700
effort

780
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,680
why anyone takes any notice of the

781
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:39,540
supposed predictions of the 16th century

782
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,880
Seer is anyone's guess

783
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,220
statements about the future based on his

784
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,320
quick drains inevitably fail

785
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,060
the predicted destruction of California

786
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:50,700
last year is an obvious example

787
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,160
last year being 1988

788
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,320
it is only when followers of Nostradamus

789
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:57,180
look back on recent events and twists of

790
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,920
various verses to fit that there seems

791
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:00,960
to be any justification for any belief

792
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,180
at all in fact this is what the

793
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,040
producers of the show Paul and Margaret

794
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,680
Dane said during the program

795
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:09,180
you must be scraped in the barrel for

796
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,380
experts when you have to interview

797
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:12,480
yourself for your own program

798
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,339
this is like asking Paul Keating the

799
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:16,140
prime minister to unbiasedly espoused

800
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:18,119
the success of the government that he

801
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:18,960
ran

802
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:21,240
there's no doubt that it's much easier

803
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,740
to understand what he is talking about

804
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,480
when you've got the benefit of hindsight

805
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,640
they said too true

806
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,960
if they can't make an accurate

807
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:29,579
prediction before the event then what

808
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,859
good is a profit to anyone obviously he

809
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,660
is a lot of good to the producers the

810
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:36,540
previous program rated extremely highly

811
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:38,760
we'll wait for hindsight to predict the

812
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,220
success of the second edition

813
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,200
and what of host John Waters everyone

814
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,880
knows actors are experts and everything

815
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:46,920
just a little look at Shirley MacLean

816
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,740
summary or rubbish

817
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:51,359
and that's too many really from the

818
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:55,079
skeptic volume nine number three 1989.

819
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:57,000
James Randy once told me that

820
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:58,980
predictions that only seem to make sense

821
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,820
about past events and not much use at

822
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:06,000
all as predictions watching the 1979

823
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,579
documentary and the 1989 documentary

824
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,000
from the vantage point of 2023 it is

825
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,160
also interesting when noting as

826
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:17,160
mentioned before how they thought the

827
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,040
future of the 1980s and 1990s and so on

828
00:39:24,190 --> 00:39:22,200
would play out according to how they

829
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:24,200
interpreted Nostradamus

830
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,260
Wars famine pestilence even the pope and

831
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,079
so on we don't need to retrofit or

832
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:34,320
shoehorn to see how wrong they were

833
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:37,500
this documentary is important for us

834
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:40,440
today it is a lesson in how the media

835
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,260
produce what is basically something just

836
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,839
for entertainment but in such a way that

837
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many will take it seriously what was

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important in 1979 and in 2023 for a

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commercial TV network is ratings not a

840
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rigorous examination of the facts that

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would be too expensive time consuming

842
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and ultimately pointless for them in

843
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,079
fact the same network network 7 via one

844
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:12,119
of their online lifestyle Pages was

845
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:15,720
running a story in December 2022 about

846
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,160
what Nostradamus predicted for 2023 you

847
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:22,619
might need a stiff drink but I encourage

848
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:25,099
you to watch the documentary from

849
00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:29,460
1979. it's free online at archive.org

850
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with a link in this week's show notes

851
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,460
Nostradamus Fame has come and gone and

852
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:38,040
come and gone and come and gone he was

853
00:40:43,690 --> 00:40:41,099
certainly famous in his own time and

854
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,700
even more so in the late 1970s

855
00:40:48,829 --> 00:40:46,680
especially in Australia his predictions

856
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:48,839
or writings have been used again and

857
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:51,060
again and again interpret it again and

858
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,740
again and again and maybe more

859
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,680
importantly have been retrofitted again

860
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:58,079
and again and again to make them seem to

861
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,859
fit events of the past those who produce

862
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,900
and publish insights into Nostradamus

863
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:06,180
predictions seem to have no problem in

864
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:08,099
taking great Liberties when it comes to

865
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:11,160
their interpretation of what they think

866
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,280
Nostradamus was saying especially when

867
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:18,000
making his writings fit past events this

868
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,180
is a game anyone can play and they will

869
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,859
be certainly playing this game for

870
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:25,079
centuries to come I wonder if

871
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Nostradamus could have foreseen that

872
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,050
hello this is Maynard did you know that

873
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:43,680
you can listen to the skeptic Zone on

874
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,099
YouTube yes I know sounds crazy but it's

875
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,050
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

876
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:56,400
with Michelle bigasma and funny sketches

877
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:57,960
with Richard Saunders and a host of

878
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:03,050
just click on the YouTube links on the

879
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:21,730
[Music]

880
00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:24,520
thank you

881
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,300
[Music]

882
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,640
hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

883
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:34,440
Canada happy to be back to read the

884
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highlights from the Australian Skeptics

885
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,200
newsletter this is newsletter number

886
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168. you can subscribe to this

887
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,500
newsletter and get it delivered to your

888
00:42:50,589 --> 00:42:45,540
inbox every other week complete with

889
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,390
www.skeptics.com.au but now let's see

890
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,240
what Tim Mendham has for us this week

891
00:43:02,329 --> 00:42:58,740
[Music]

892
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:02,339
hi all says Tim some stories just never

893
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,260
die

894
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,700
Ivermectin is a treatment for covid and

895
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,160
5G causing radiation poisoning we'll

896
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:10,140
probably join the perennials like

897
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,079
psychics solving crimes at least we will

898
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:14,880
always have the more positive things

899
00:43:20,829 --> 00:43:18,180
like looking for et and your pets

900
00:43:24,490 --> 00:43:20,839
passing to Heaven over a Rainbow Bridge

901
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,500
not everything has to be nasty

902
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:27,060
read on Tim

903
00:43:33,069 --> 00:43:29,420
okay Tim I'll do just that

904
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:36,530
surprise surprise Ivermectin still

905
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,780
useless against covet 19.

906
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:42,180
new research shows that even higher and

907
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,339
longer doses of ivermectin are still

908
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,740
useless in treating covet 19.

909
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,619
nonetheless some alternative Physicians

910
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:51,540
are pushing it to treat flu and

911
00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:54,980
respiratory syncytial virus or RSV

912
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,540
[Music]

913
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,280
10-step guide to assessing conspiracy

914
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,619
theory claims this is an excellent

915
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,540
article laying out key ways you can

916
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,119
assess a conspiracy theory initiated by

917
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:09,000
an article on the so-called suspicious

918
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:12,060
deaths of Canadian doctors

919
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,460
and I just have to add that yes doctors

920
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in Canada do die despite our great

921
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,300
Health Care system and for some reason

922
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,579
they seem to love talking to me once I

923
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,740
tell them I'm a skeptical activist in

924
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:24,240
fact I went to a specialist this past

925
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,800
summer who seemed really happy to be

926
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:27,660
able to talk about possible and

927
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,300
necessary medication options without me

928
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,460
arguing that the medication is not

929
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,520
natural he also said he would listen to

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00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:37,560
this podcast and if you're listening

931
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:44,089
foreign

932
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,119
the fall and Rise of bioelectricity

933
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,160
this outlines the origins of

934
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,020
Frankenstein the dark ethics of

935
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,420
electroshock technology and the gruesome

936
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
work of galvani's nephew Giovanni aldani

937
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,520
following his uncle's work on

938
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,460
revivification it was never entirely

939
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:05,040
possible to extricate galvanism from its

940
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:07,880
associations with Wu and quackery and

941
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,339
galvanic magic but it probably led to

942
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:13,680
more scientific treatments such as CPR

943
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,200
and defibrillators although in this case

944
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,640
to the head rather than the chest

945
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:21,599
[Music]

946
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:24,960
5G microwave claim is well and truly

947
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:26,220
cooked

948
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:28,140
this is a fact check on claims that

949
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,060
people are exposed to more radiation

950
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:32,520
from being near a 5G Tower than being

951
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:35,640
inside a microwave oven not that anyone

952
00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:37,980
actually goes inside a microwave oven

953
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:39,740
and as you can probably guess

954
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,380
surprisingly it's not true

955
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:45,900
psychics and crimes

956
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,180
this highlights a couple of recent

957
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,520
examples of self-professed Psychics

958
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,520
involved in solving crimes

959
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,680
the body of a missing woman in the UK

960
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,260
was apparently found by a psychic he

961
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,240
offers quote a huge thank you to

962
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,160
Lancashire police for their help support

963
00:46:06,849 --> 00:46:05,099
and the open-mindedness with which they

964
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:06,859
dealt with us following our call

965
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:09,180
spiritualists or mediums are obviously

966
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,980
not something the police can come across

967
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,200
every day and I appreciate the respect

968
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,380
given to us end quote he adds that quote

969
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,720
I was not asked by the police or

970
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,520
Nicholas family to become involved in

971
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,520
this case end quote but we dare say he

972
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:25,740
won't mind mentioning the fact that he

973
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:27,270
found the woman's body

974
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,440
[Music]

975
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:31,140
meanwhile a Polish girl's claims she is

976
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,240
missing English girl Madeline McCann

977
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,240
have sparked an outrage online leading

978
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:38,579
her to seek help from a Persian medium

979
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:42,180
Dr FIA Johansson who who has reportedly

980
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:44,099
helped the U.S police on missing person

981
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:47,099
cases meanwhile a German Clairvoyant

982
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:49,079
Michael Schneider reckons he knows

983
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,180
exactly where Madeline is and that the

984
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:53,880
Polish Girl isn't her he has apparently

985
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:56,520
solved at least 25 missing person cases

986
00:47:03,349 --> 00:46:58,200
since he started aiding investigations

987
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,359
on a voluntary basis in 2006.

988
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:05,339
thank you

989
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,940
Neil deGrasse Tyson tour

990
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,520
noted skeptic and astrophysicist Neil

991
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,680
deGrasse Tyson will be touring Australia

992
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,599
and New Zealand in July

993
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,000
pre-booking tickets available from think

994
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:21,359
Inc and I highly recommend seeing him I

995
00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:23,819
think his talk at cycon was one of the

996
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,780
best I've ever seen he's amazing

997
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,500
[Music]

998
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,280
how to complain

999
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,200
Mandy Lee Noble gave an inspiring Zoom

1000
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,420
talk to Vic's Skeptics recently titled

1001
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,940
quote get hurt effective Health Care

1002
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:41,339
complaints end quote and about how to

1003
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,380
make complaints to Regulators with a

1004
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,420
greater chance of success you can view

1005
00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:47,220
the video on the vix Skeptics Facebook

1006
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,320
Skeptics Cafe page

1007
00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:51,240
[Music]

1008
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:58,089
Richard fukhorn

1009
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,319
1932-2022 we recently learned of the

1010
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,960
death of Richard bookhorn former priest

1011
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:06,240
social justice campaigner and Latter-Day

1012
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,000
skeptical activist he was a member of

1013
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,800
the Queensland Skeptics committee and

1014
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:12,720
organized their first water divining

1015
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,240
test the Challenger failed to prove his

1016
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,460
skills and wrote articles for the

1017
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,560
skeptic magazine where he argued that

1018
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,480
there is no reliable evidence to support

1019
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:24,000
the urban legend that Aboriginal people

1020
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,420
in North Queensland practice cannibalism

1021
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:29,760
Margaret kitson president of Queensland

1022
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:32,579
Skeptics says that quote I continue to

1023
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,500
be amazed at the various different paths

1024
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,180
that people have taken on the journey

1025
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,819
towards skeptical activism with Richards

1026
00:48:46,569 --> 00:48:41,520
definitely being a most unusual one end

1027
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:49,910
the March 2023 issue of the skeptic

1028
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,380
magazine will be out very soon with a

1029
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:54,180
feature that responds to the regularly

1030
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,020
raised issue why bother our response

1031
00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,520
could be that the skeptical movement

1032
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:01,980
whether that means Australian Skeptics

1033
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,680
or the broader capital S skeptical

1034
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,440
Community has had significant successes

1035
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,079
and it is always developing new ways and

1036
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,900
approaches to tune its approach not to

1037
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:14,880
mention the little matter of defending

1038
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,400
the truth but it is always important to

1039
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:19,440
look for relevance not to rest on any

1040
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,660
Laurels and to innovate in delivering

1041
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:23,599
the skeptical message

1042
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,700
apart from that we look at ways psychics

1043
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,500
can fool you a classic look at

1044
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:30,480
confronting Erie Geller and the

1045
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:32,339
controversial career of the most famous

1046
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:35,700
Exorcist of the last 50 years

1047
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:38,099
meanwhile you can read an article on the

1048
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,140
latest Hall of Shame as a sample from

1049
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:43,260
the December 2022 issue another ongoing

1050
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:44,020
battle

1051
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,720
[Music]

1052
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,700
described yet now is the time to do so

1053
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,980
you can sign up for a hard copy or

1054
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:52,319
digital version or both the digital is

1055
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:54,119
offered free to those who take up the

1056
00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:57,240
hard copy version contact the editor if

1057
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:58,619
you're not sure if your existing

1058
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:00,599
subscription needs renewing learn more

1059
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,640
about our magazine And subscribe now

1060
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:07,280
foreign

1061
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,960
if you have any ideas for stories or

1062
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,220
want to contribute to Skeptics

1063
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:13,440
Communications such as the magazine or

1064
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,300
Facebook page or just have something you

1065
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:16,920
want to get off your chest then you're

1066
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:19,140
welcome to get in touch news leads

1067
00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:21,740
should be sent to news tips at

1068
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,060
skeptics.com.edu submissions for the

1069
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,920
magazine Etc should go to editor

1070
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,319
skeptics.com.edu

1071
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:30,480
comments and suggestions should also go

1072
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:33,210
to editor skeptics.com.au

1073
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,610
items of Interest

1074
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:41,579
[Music]

1075
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:43,700
of an elf

1076
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,099
Mexican president Andre Manuel Lopez

1077
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,800
obrador did not seem to be joking when

1078
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,380
he posted the photo of an alux a

1079
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,540
mischievous Woodland spirit in Mayan

1080
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:56,640
folklore he wrote that the photo quote

1081
00:51:01,569 --> 00:50:58,980
was taken three days ago by an engineer

1082
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:01,579
it appears to be an Alex end quote

1083
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:05,460
adding quote everything is Mystical end

1084
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,980
quote the nighttime photo shows a tree

1085
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,319
with a branch forming what looks like a

1086
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:12,660
Halo of hair and what may be Stars

1087
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,240
forming the figure's eyes according to

1088
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:17,940
traditional Mayan belief Alex's are

1089
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,280
small mischievous creatures that inhabit

1090
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,319
forests and Fields and are prone to

1091
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:24,480
Playing Tricks on people like hiding

1092
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:32,349
foreign

1093
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:35,930
story of the week

1094
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:39,059
psychic says dogs choose the time and

1095
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,400
place they will die

1096
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:43,920
psychic Nancy Mello from Connecticut USA

1097
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,500
believes animals choose when and where

1098
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,480
they are going to die and some pets

1099
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:51,599
become guardian angels in heaven While

1100
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,960
others reincarnate on Earth quote each

1101
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:56,640
death is a beautifully orchestrated

1102
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,680
dance of waiting for their humans to be

1103
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:00,599
ready or wanting to pass before the

1104
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,180
family goes on holiday some dogs want to

1105
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:05,280
pass by their favorite tree or with

1106
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,099
music on others would rather pass with

1107
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,079
assistance end quote

1108
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:12,420
Nancy has been able to talk to animals

1109
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,220
from a very young age and has learned

1110
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about their afterlife from speaking to

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pets who have died she says one of the

1112
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greatest honors is quote helping animals

1113
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:24,000
cross over the Rainbow Bridge end quote

1114
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:33,290
until next time this is Adrian Hill from

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00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:35,819
a cold and snowy Calgary who is looking

1116
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,740
forward to flying into the future next

1117
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,160
week to warm up in Sydney

1118
00:52:54,609 --> 00:52:43,020
foreign

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[Music]

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00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,720
Adrian Hill here and I'm really excited

1121
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,119
to announce I'm going to be heading to

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00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:03,180
Sydney on March 14th Canada time and

1123
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,920
we'll be attending a Skeptics in the pub

1124
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,400
on Thursday March 23rd hopefully I'll be

1125
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,559
over the jet lag by then and I will be

1126
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:12,480
fully awake for my talk which I have

1127
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,020
titled skepticism and syntax being a

1128
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:18,480
Wikipedia Guru with giggles and gumption

1129
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,520
join me to walk through my journey to

1130
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,740
becoming a skeptical activist from my

1131
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,300
first behind the scenes work with the

1132
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,180
gorilla skepticism on Wikipedia not so

1133
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,460
secret cabal two snickering on the

1134
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,980
skeptic Zone podcast join me for

1135
00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:33,780
discussions on haunted houses medical

1136
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:36,920
pseudoscience psychics and silly stories

1137
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,079
giggling guaranteed and that's at The

1138
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:42,960
Accidental Hotel on Thursday March 23rd

1139
00:53:50,049 --> 00:53:46,020
at 6 PM in Sydney details can be found

1140
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,059
at meetup.com forward slash AUST

1141
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:52,800
Skeptics hope I see you there

1142
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,010
[Music]

1143
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:03,000
foreign

1144
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,740
[Music]

1145
00:54:17,890 --> 00:54:15,599
once again to look into those pages of

1146
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,900
Trove at

1147
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:19,859
trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

1148
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:21,960
resource from the National Library of

1149
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,599
Australia and the Australian government

1150
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,420
four digitized newspapers clippings

1151
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:30,780
archives recipes who knows what going

1152
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,660
back indeed centuries

1153
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:35,760
and there's a lot of today's episode is

1154
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:38,099
dedicated to Nostradamus I thought we

1155
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:41,400
would see what we could find in these

1156
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:46,180
archives dealing with Nostradamus

1157
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,119
[Music]

1158
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:54,000
and I was surprised indeed to see how

1159
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,740
many references came up

1160
00:55:02,210 --> 00:54:58,020
hundreds hundreds of references to

1161
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,220
Nostradamus over the many many years so

1162
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:04,619
let's just take a few more or less

1163
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:07,280
picked at random

1164
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:08,770
foreign

1165
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,280
[Music]

1166
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,480
the first one comes from the state of

1167
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:17,940
Queensland the Balon Beacon

1168
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:25,790
a war prophecy

1169
00:55:32,589 --> 00:55:28,920
writings of Nostradamus

1170
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,599
World War III begins this month

1171
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:34,740
according to the Prophecies of

1172
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,160
Nostradamus German astrologer Fritz Lang

1173
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,440
made the announcement at Frankfurt

1174
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:43,200
during the week after months of research

1175
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:45,720
into the writings of the 16th century

1176
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:46,859
seer

1177
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:49,740
World War III will begin in Greece says

1178
00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:52,920
Lang and will last four months the West

1179
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,339
will win after an atom bomb has been

1180
00:56:00,849 --> 00:55:58,800
dropped on the Kremlin the last battle

1181
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:00,859
will be fought in the province of

1182
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:03,420
Westphalia in the British zone of

1183
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:04,380
Germany

1184
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,619
when reporters pressed astrologer Lang

1185
00:56:14,089 --> 00:56:10,680
for proof of his predictions he quoted

1186
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:14,099
such Nostradamus writings as

1187
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:18,420
fire water iron and rope will unite

1188
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:21,540
against the red sex while peace is being

1189
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:24,300
undermined those who starred the war

1190
00:56:30,670 --> 00:56:28,020
will die at once except for one whom the

1191
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,680
world will try later

1192
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,119
Nostradamus real name Michelle D

1193
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:36,720
nostradam was a French astrologer and a

1194
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,660
physician who died in 1560. he left

1195
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:42,180
behind a pile of cryptic prophetic

1196
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:45,180
verses called centuries

1197
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:47,640
the Disciples of Nostradamus claim that

1198
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:50,880
his verses foretold Cromwell Napoleon

1199
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:54,660
Hitler Mussolini and World War II his

1200
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:56,819
detractors say his verses can be

1201
00:57:01,309 --> 00:57:00,300
interpreted to mean anything after the

1202
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,319
event

1203
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:04,559
and uh of course

1204
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:08,400
that's exactly what we are we find

1205
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,780
happens

1206
00:57:14,829 --> 00:57:12,059
and from the Canberra times dated the

1207
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:14,839
4th of January 1973

1208
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:18,420
Nostradamus wins Nostradamus once again

1209
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:21,780
proved his superiority over stablemate

1210
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:23,020
oh it's about a horse

1211
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,440
[Laughter]

1212
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,520
Nostradamus the horse

1213
00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:32,880
well let's see how the horse did his

1214
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,200
superiority of a stalemate castilia

1215
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:39,420
by defeating that horse in a flying

1216
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,400
handicap at queenbeyan for the third

1217
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:43,920
time this month both horses are prepared

1218
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:47,819
by Canberra trainer Rob O'Sullivan at

1219
00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:50,579
their previous encounters castelia has

1220
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:52,579
started favorite but yesterday

1221
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:55,859
Nostradamus was backed into favoritism

1222
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:00,480
at six to four on and won by Three Links

1223
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:03,660
in a track record equaling time of 59

1224
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:07,800
seconds for the 1000 meters

1225
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,680
there you are to put your money on

1226
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,720
Nostradamus the horse

1227
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:15,180
and now from The Advocate from Melbourne

1228
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,339
Victoria dated the 24th of July 1941.

1229
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:23,040
Prophecies of Nostradamus

1230
00:58:31,329 --> 00:58:28,980
century astrologer whose predictions

1231
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,339
have been the subject of a movie short

1232
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:34,020
deserve no more Credence than those of

1233
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,099
any other astrologer which is zero

1234
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:40,500
the University of Notre Dame religious

1235
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:43,020
bulletin declares in answer to the

1236
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:44,819
inquiries from students

1237
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,720
quote it is quite possibly true that

1238
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:51,000
these prophecies were written by him end

1239
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,220
quote the bulletin says

1240
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:55,799
quote his real name was Michelle de

1241
00:59:04,069 --> 00:58:59,040
notterdam a Frenchman of Jewish descent

1242
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,079
living from 1503 to 1566 astrology

1243
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:07,260
enjoyed a great Vogue during his life as

1244
00:59:14,770 --> 00:59:10,380
Court astrologer to Catherine D Medici

1245
00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:14,780
he had great Prestige it is known also

1246
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,059
that claiming the ability to read the

1247
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:20,700
distant future he began to write his

1248
00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:22,740
Mystic prophecies

1249
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:26,220
they are entitled to as much respect as

1250
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,380
fortunes told by tea leaves end quote

1251
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:33,480
and now from the camera times dated the

1252
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:36,020
14th of November 1979

1253
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,480
Nostradamus burgers with the lot

1254
00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:41,700
and this is in a column called past

1255
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:44,040
palum placed

1256
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:47,819
the great fear I feel in connection with

1257
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,040
Nostradamus is not that his prophecies

1258
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,520
will come true but that we are about to

1259
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,460
suffer a terrible Nostradamus cult

1260
01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:58,799
his prophecies to the effect that we are

1261
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,319
all going to turn to cannibalism and

1262
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:04,020
that there are going to be fabins and

1263
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,319
massacres and autocracies and Australian

1264
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:10,380
democratic governments and Wars do not

1265
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:11,940
agitate me at all

1266
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:14,579
almost all of these things are part of

1267
01:00:19,309 --> 01:00:16,680
the life of our tormented Global ready

1268
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,319
and an Australian democratic government

1269
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:22,079
in Australia will be just another Twist

1270
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:26,220
of the global thumb screw alas the

1271
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,440
superstitious nature of the laboring

1272
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:31,200
classes will guarantee that assorted

1273
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,480
fools and charlatans will reap enormous

1274
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,240
riches by saying that nostradamus's

1275
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:39,180
ravings obviously indicate that your

1276
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,940
granny is going to chop the heads off

1277
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:44,400
all your goldfish and the hula hoop is

1278
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:47,819
to make a comeback and that Kamal is to

1279
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:48,900
be the first

1280
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:52,980
Australian Pope and incidentally Kamal

1281
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,740
was a very popular singer Entertainer of

1282
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:56,880
the era

1283
01:01:03,950 --> 01:01:00,780
other entrepreneurs I prophesy will

1284
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:03,960
dredge these silly works of the 16th

1285
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,440
century loon see what he has to say

1286
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:10,380
about sex cricket and the rearing of

1287
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:12,780
children so that they can produce best

1288
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,020
selling works like the Nostradamus path

1289
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:18,780
to better orgasms improve your batting

1290
01:01:26,089 --> 01:01:22,440
the Nostradamus way with a forward by

1291
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:26,099
Colin cowdery and Nostradamus on the

1292
01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:29,220
prediction of nappy rash

1293
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:30,920
one

1294
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:33,420
anticipates that there will be the

1295
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:35,940
Nostradamus t-shirts Nostradamus

1296
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:38,940
deodorants and Sundry other products and

1297
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:42,079
that fast food emporiums will sell us

1298
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:45,599
burgers so someone there

1299
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:49,220
not exactly taking Nostradamus

1300
01:01:55,789 --> 01:01:52,619
very seriously at all and finally we'll

1301
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,799
go all the way back to 1938 on the 28th

1302
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:58,319
of September in the cadendra and

1303
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:01,799
Wallaroo times in South Australia will

1304
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:05,040
it happen 400 year old prophecies

1305
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:08,099
the fall of Hitler an attempt by German

1306
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:10,680
ships to blockade London by sailing up

1307
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:13,619
the Thames the end of the Spanish war in

1308
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:16,740
1940 the invasion of France from the

1309
01:02:21,010 --> 01:02:19,559
Pyrenees Frontier and a revolution in

1310
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:21,020
Britain

1311
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,660
these are the predictions of a Hermit

1312
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:27,359
astrologer 400 years ago which are now

1313
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,160
being Unearthed and interpreted by

1314
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:32,160
French Scholars Michelle de Nostradamus

1315
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:35,940
author of these visions and Doctor two

1316
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,880
three French Kings was the most feared

1317
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:41,760
man in Europe Nostradamus forecast the

1318
01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:44,460
start of the Spanish Civil War he tells

1319
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:47,700
us it will end in February 1930.

1320
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,720
on the start of the war he wrote in 1936

1321
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:54,240
the reign of Mars will begin south of

1322
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:58,020
Saint Gene dilats and inhumane Spanish

1323
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,119
Chief will arise and devastate the

1324
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,520
country refugees will flee from The

1325
01:03:06,890 --> 01:03:03,680
Basque country

1326
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:06,900
Nostradamus has a shock for the Nazis he

1327
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,660
says Hitler's fall will follow the

1328
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:11,280
discovery that the great German

1329
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,180
General's commander of the forces on the

1330
01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:16,799
austro-check border is on the side of

1331
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,140
the Soviet

1332
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,119
Spaniards will devastate all southern

1333
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:23,520
France Germany will go to war with

1334
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:26,940
France Britain will at first refuse to

1335
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:29,339
join in but German warships will sail up

1336
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:32,099
the Thames and we shall fight but our

1337
01:03:37,549 --> 01:03:34,680
decision will lead to quote bloody

1338
01:03:41,170 --> 01:03:37,559
internal strife and quote a revolution

1339
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:41,180
which will be suppressed not until

1340
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,040
1947

1341
01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:45,720
will peace be restored to a devastated

1342
01:03:53,809 --> 01:03:51,650
well a little bit of a mixed bag of

1343
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:53,819
so-called prophecies and predictions

1344
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,710
so there you go just a few just a scant

1345
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:03,359
view of the hundreds of references I've

1346
01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:05,400
discovered over the years to Nostradamus

1347
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:08,180
a lot of them clustered around the late

1348
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:13,760
1970s after that TV special went to air

1349
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:16,619
oh Nostradamus will we ever see the back

1350
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,190
find out all sorts of interesting things

1351
01:04:27,730 --> 01:04:25,200
about Nostradamus or horses Maybe by

1352
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:27,740
visiting Trove at

1353
01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:30,119
trove.nla.gov dot a u put in your search

1354
01:04:36,070 --> 01:04:50,630
[Music]

1355
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:52,370
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1356
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,000
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1357
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:56,220
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1358
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1359
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:02,700
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1360
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:05,460
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1361
01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:08,220
keeps going now I wonder how many of you

1362
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:09,960
listening in the audience at Australia

1363
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,760
anyway remember that 1979 Prophecies of

1364
01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:16,380
Nostradamus

1365
01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:18,360
with the scaring music

1366
01:05:36,049 --> 01:05:33,589
I could look into the future what do I

1367
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:36,059
see I see a long plane flight for me

1368
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,940
over the Pacific in the coming week

1369
01:05:43,490 --> 01:05:41,520
we'll see if that comes true but for

1370
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:43,500
this week this is Richard Saunders

1371
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:45,900
signing off from the San Francisco Bay

1372
01:05:57,789 --> 01:05:53,210
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01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:57,799
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1375
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